[Nezzar]

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PartyGirl,

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If he is at all competent he will be randomizing enough to make it pretty much neutral EV for Timex.

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Lol at this. Do u know how hard this is? Do u have any idea?

Dont answer pls.

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Nezzar, being completely objective here, Jeff and PartyGirl are pretty much right about this hand...

The only thing I see interesting about it is that it was a large pot and Timex called down. The ace is nearly an irrelevant card at these stakes because good players are jamming TT-KK on the river, too.

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I strongly disagree with the ace being irrelevant. Consider how timex would play A-J. I think he would play it exactly the same. At least i would...

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So you think Zupp checks back QQ and KK because of this?

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No but def. not go allin for slightly more than pot on the river. i think he would try to bet less to get value from a lower pocket. Thats why i exclude any pocket pair (except AA) from zupps range when he goes allin on river.

Edit: i exclude AA also.

edit2: Im not sure about AA. I have to think about some more... so its maybe in his range for now.

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this thread is getting better and better. you claim that his range is 100% quads/ace/bluff because he wouldn't value-push the river with TT-KK (he would make a smaller milking bet LOLOL) but then you claim that calling the river with 77 is genius. this is so revolutionary!!!!!! just imagine if zupp had the ability to think about what timex was thinking and push QQ hoping to induce a big-call from 77!!!!! that would be ridiculous deep-level thinking so timex can obviously just exclude that from zupp's range...

btw, i cant even begin to imagine the difference between AA and an ace here...i wanna hear the explanation on that conclusion

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with the river shove, Im not claiming zupps range is ace/bluff/8. im saying its 8 or bluff. no ace, ok?

Im saying its better for Zupp to bet less with KK- because an ace is in timex range.

As for the difference between an ace and AA...

Im not sure what u mean. The difference from Zupps point of view and how he would bet it on the river? or why AA is defferent from the other pockets? Or why i think i can exclude it form his river range after the shove?