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Packard,

But they're trash. Not really a useful supplement. Def not a creatine, and I doubt they're even as pertinent as something a pointless as new destrose/malto replacement that costs 10x what the aforementioned products do.

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Well Thremp read the ingredients if you don't want to try it. It has creatine and caffeine and bcaa's and we know all those work [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Then just take those.

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That would work too Thremp [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Massnutrition has them on sale for $24.99 with free shipping on $200+ orders. Like you said, you could make your own preworkout supplement with caffeine, bcaas, creatine. I don't know if it would be better than SP250 or if you would save much money though.