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Packard,

But they're trash. Not really a useful supplement. Def not a creatine, and I doubt they're even as pertinent as something a pointless as new destrose/malto replacement that costs 10x what the aforementioned products do.

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Well Thremp read the ingredients if you don't want to try it. It has creatine and caffeine and bcaa's and we know all those work [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]