[Josem]

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This has been asked before but not really responded too:

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Yes, it has actually.

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So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that other other major sites have been hacked as well, and the super user accounts are just not caught because they play more reasonable, and quietly make $1,000's.

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No - as a general rule in life, it is a bad idea to believe things are happening if you have no evidence to make you think they are happening.

To make an analogy - this is disagreeing with a George Bush policy, and thinking less of Hillary Clinton as a result. Whether or not you're a fan on George Bush, it is obviously silly to blame Hillary for his actions.

The same thing is happening here - Absolute is crap, so you're being critical of PokerStars (or Party or FTP or whatever)

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Do we just accept that this is the reality of playing online poker?

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No - because it is not the reality of playing online poker.

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Of course it is possible that this is happening every day on every poker website.

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Please provide the evidence of this.

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Anyone who claims this is an isolated incident is full of sh*t.

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No - anyone claims this is an isolated incident is a rational person who only believes stuff when there is a reason to believe stuff.

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Maybe I don't know enough about "mechanics" and their "art", but I think the risk of running into collusion, hacking or any other form of cheating at on online poker site is much higher than the risk of running into a crooked dealer at a reputable B&M casino.

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I assume you're kidding here.

Total number of dodgy operators in the history of online poker: Two - Planet Poker & Absolute Poker.

Total number of dodgy operators in the history of live poker: Countless

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Anyone who tries to minimize this hole card scandal is either (a) foolish, (b) a winning player worried that the "online is rigged" cry will dry up their action or (c) a freaking cheater.

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I am not trying to "minimise" the scandal (I created a website to expose this, for goodness sake!) but rather, acting & thinking rationally.

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The bottom line is that IMO it has been proven without a doubt that certain players on Absolute could see other player's hole cards. That is astounding, isn't it?!?!? That is [censored] up, isn't it?!?!?

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Yes, it is. Don't play on Absolute.

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I can understand how a winning player might react to this information with a bit of skepticism and a kind of "ok, that's great, let's just fix the problem quietly" kind of attitude, but come on.

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I don't think anyone is advocating that.

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This is bad bad bad for online poker.

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It is bad for online poker because of the hyperbole of ignorant and poor thinking people like in this thread.