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Old 08-11-2007, 07:55 PM
Xhad Xhad is offline
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Default Re: Anyone not think this is a standard raise?

No, because your equity is significantly smaller in that case. Run it through pokerstove.

EDIT: here's QJo against the same ranges I gave in the mid-limit thread:

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Operation canceled... 19,597,844 games processed in 46 seconds.

Board:
Dead:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 19.006 % 17.838 % 2.593 % 79.569 % 22+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo
Player 2: 14.332 % 13.136 % 2.656 % 84.208 % 22-TT, ATs-A2s, KJs-K2s, Q7s+, J7s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, AJo-A2o, K9o+, QTo+, JTo
Player 3: 14.325 % 13.128 % 2.656 % 84.216 % 22-TT, ATs-A2s, KJs-K2s, Q7s+, J7s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, AJo-A2o, K9o+, QTo+, JTo
Player 4: 14.339 % 13.144 % 2.652 % 84.204 % 22-TT, ATs-A2s, KJs-K2s, Q7s+, J7s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, AJo-A2o, K9o+, QTo+, JTo
Player 5: 12.224 % 11.405 % 1.856 % 86.739 % Random
Player 6: 12.239 % 11.418 % 1.859 % 86.723 % Random
Player 7: 13.535 % 11.865 % 3.584 % 84.552 % QJo

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Note that you are an underdog here, while QJs's equity was almost the same as UTG's at about 17%. Being suited really does matter that much when you have upwards of 3 opponents. Again, this is mostly just a math problem, to the extent that basically any argument that doesn't even discuss the math is going to be meaningless.
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