simple hand vs good player
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I just wanted to point out that folding QQ right away on the flop is still gonna be the best play in a vacuum vs many tags in this spot. In fact there are still enough of these tag types that we should all be on the lookout for them so we dont have to pay off all the way in these spots. I can think of 3 tags off the top of my head where calling down a flop check/raise with QQ is just giving money away: Surfdoc, Thehip41, and me.
I think thats why Surfdoc brought this thread up cuz its hard for our flop check/raise to not be exploitable in this spot since the kind of tag like Surf or me will have Kx+ or better in this spot every time. But theres a reason why we can be this exploitable....becuz nobody folds 88+ or better in this spot.
In the rare case when were against an opponent than can fold a hand like QQ here, then there has to be a better strategy than check/raising the flop.
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Yes. You have summarized a lot of the thoughts I was having after playing the hand. It is somewhat discouraging that for the price of one small bet in the form of a preflop cap that villian can then play perfectly after the flop and release immediately to my flop CR. I don't think it is just a select few where calling the flop CR down is bad. I think it is bad against almost all good playing 2p2 type tags. It will be pretty obvious that an adjustment will need to be made if either party starts capping or 3 betting too light and the one who stays ahead in the information war will certainly profit.
Lets reverse the situation and put me as the preflop capper in position. Now you try to CR the flop with 99. You are setting yourself up to get your ass handed to you on a silver platter in the form of a variety of lines. Having the lead on the turn will just not be a good idea at all. I guess what this all means is that good players don't give each other much action unless the game gets very short and spewy and although we won't be in this spot often it seems that formulating a plan ahead of time is pretty smart.
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