[Casper05]

yeah, thats all fine/good as well...the problem is not with the theory, its with applying that theory to villains that it will work on AND having the right image for it AND understanding flop texture...like in 'holdme''s new thread- he has zero outs and very little FE at 100NL and on that flop...so the move just becomse spewy.

Calling and shoving flops and 4betting both have merits and should both be used...a lot of it depends on what your image/style is and how those moves fit into it. I dont really want to get into what I do more often vs certain types of players, but it completely depends on the villain imo.