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Old 11-25-2007, 03:44 AM
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Default (NL25) I need help against fish

This is kind of embarrassing. But I've been finding extremely soft tables recently, and I'm not used to having several fish at the same table. Usually I have a table with one, and I play marginal hands from positions with him since they tend to pay of very well - i.e. I play looser against a bad loose player. The problem is when I have 3+ of these players, I start to play a lot of weak hands as every time 2 or more of these players limp into the pot giving me great implied odds. The problem comes when there is another decent player in the pot, and I start to chase as I know I can win a huge pot if the fish get TP and the the other player misses. I just notice that I turn into a huge calling station in these pots, since my hand is never the best and the fish don't allow themselves to be bluffed and there might be another player in the pot which makes playing expensive.

The following hand is a bit extreme, as I never seen a table as good as this one:

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
10 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$9.63</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$49.31</font>)
UTG+2 (<font color="#0000cc">$39.53</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$23.72</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$75.07</font>)
MP3 (<font color="#0000cc">$24.65</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$26.43</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$27.54</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$5.49</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$23.65</font>)

PF &amp; reads: I know my hand is very marginal, but UTG+2 has decent stats but is still down 3 BIN's in 900 hands, so I think he pays of too easily. MP1 seems solid. MP2 is 90/0/0.3 and likes to bluff with busted draws. MP3 is 50/3/0.5 and is steaming against MP2 since he just tried to bluff him by pushing on a four flush board - and MP2 called with a T-high flush. So I limp, not happy at all about the 8xBB raise but with so much money in the pot I still call with relative and absolute position.

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 10 players) Hero is CO 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $2</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#777777">UTG+2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75, MP3 calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($10.5, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB goes all-in $3.49</font>, MP1 calls $3.49, MP2 calls $3.49, MP3 calls $3.49, Hero calls $3.49

Again I end the action and a ton of money in the pot, so I call.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($27.95, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets $9</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $9, <font color="#777777">Hero folds</font>


So, was I right in chasing so far or should I have folded somewhere. I thought about pushing my OESD on flop, but figured I have no FE and villain will pay if I hit, so I might as well just take the "cheap" card.

Also, I play quite loose from early position/blinds too if there are one or more of these players in the pot, do you think this is a leak?
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