Re: movin on up
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Shove?
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What hand do you put villain on that calls the flop and turn and a river shove that we beat?
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Like A5 said, he doesn't have a better hand too often. Just shove. Thought it was std...
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I just think it's kind of a sick spot to shove.
You expect a call from a hand like 99 here? On a paired, flushing and straighting board after a 3 barrel.
I think shoving basically turns our hand into a bluff because he should never call with worse.
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Well, if we nearly always have the best hand, why should we ever check? Atleast put the decision on him and give him the chance to call with his TT or whatever. Shoving definaely doesn't turn our hand into a bluff. What better hand does he show up with here?
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With no reads on villain he could easily have any 8, 56, diamonds, full house etc.
If we knew villain was a huge donk and likely to stack off with A7 here then a shove is ok.
I just can't think of a hand he would call with that we beat with no history between the 2 of them.
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Yes an unknown is capable of playing a better hand this way, but it's much much likelier that he has a worse hand. AA/KK almost always would have repopped either preflop, the flop, or the turn. Flushes are shoving over our turn raise or shoving the river, same with straights. If he has 8x, he is shoving the river. Besides, if he is capable of playing any eight in this manner then his range is even wider and includes more random pairs we beat.
How do you know he won't call with worse? He's already put in $660, and we have $560 ish behind on the river. He is probably calling the river with his entire range getting almost 4-1.
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