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Alright then, I think it's fair to say we simply disagree on the acceptable bounds of control.

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The problem is that if you apply your acceptable bounds universally you run into massive problems but if you apply mine you don't. Now I realise that your retort is that you do'nt think these things should be applied universally that a case by case basis works. The Grand Canyon is a non ownable public thing that everyone can "control" Jeffs house is not it's something only he can "control" that makes intuitive sense (which is why the government gets away with it) but it doesn't work on a general philosophical basis and is more open to corruption of power. Wherever someone hold the power to designate one thing a certain moral category and another a different one there is room for distortion and corruption. Developing a general universal framework takes away some of that power and therefore the room for corruption.

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But demanding private ownership of every last piece of land makes room for just as many entirely different problems. I don't want someone buying the Grand Canyon and using it as a giant land fill.