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Old 11-21-2007, 09:16 PM
Gurravasa Gurravasa is offline
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Default Re: AA waits till turn

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?!!? dude, this isnt omaha, best hand=value

[/ QUOTE ] You need more than 33% equity to raise for value and the combination of draws and made hands villains can have makes our equity lower than 33% in this situation. If OP is right that UTG+1 can have ATC I would estimate our equity to about 25-30% on the flop.

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this is a good thing

[/ QUOTE ] With a single pair playing one or two opponent is a huge difference. The risk of losing the hand is much greater against two than one opponent. You're gonna win more if your hand holds up against two opponents but your aces will get crushed more often against two opponent. If you had a set you're right that we want him to stay, but we only have an overpair that any small 2-pair can beat.

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BB will not bet the turn a very large % imo

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If he don't thats not bad, that probably indicates that his hand is not very strong or that he donked a draw. Now we can act according to that information.

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exaclty, thats why u get ur value now with the best of it


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If we had more than 33% equity yes, but against a decent player in BB and ATC in UTG+1 we don't.

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those are mostly legit considerations, but we pass up hella value by not getting a raise in somewhere, and the best place is on the flop

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That depends on villains donking range and if we have indications that villain likes to donk weak hands we could have equity enough to raise, but against two players that both put money in on the flop your aces are not as big favourite as you would like to think. If the action was bet-fold or check-bet it's a different story...
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