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Old 11-19-2007, 09:47 PM
SeanC SeanC is offline
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Default Re: Exploitive play question

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If we're in some situation where the villain's hand is concretely defined to be either a hand he should value bet or a hand he can either bluff with or check with (and I guess some hands in between that he just checks with), and if we also assume that there's a set of our holdings rigidly defined as bluff-catchers (hands better than all his bluffing hands and worse than all his value betting hands), then there will be some optimal amount of the time he should bluff when he has a bluffing hand. If he bluffs precisely this optimal amount, we will be indifferent to calling and folding with our bluff-catchers.

If the opponent bluffs more often than this than our correct strategy is to call with 100% of our bluff-catchers, while if he bluffs less often than this our correct strategy is to fold all of our bluff-catchers.

OP asked if we could easily calculate this indifference threshold, and I agree that we could in this artificial situation where hands may be rigidly defined as hands you bet for value or hands you bet as a bluff, and also where hands can be rigidly defined for bluff-catchers (the A, K, Q game is the most iconic game of this type, where aces are bet for value, kings are always checked, and queens are only bet as bluffs, while kings become bluff-catchers).

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That makes sense, thanks.

Practically speaking then, how do we determine when someone is bluffing too much or too little? I assume there's some mathematical method applied, right? Or is it just an "obvious" kind of thing that strikes you ("wow, he's bluffing a lot")? As the correct exploitive response to an over-bluffer is to call with all bluff-catchers (until he wisens up and stops bluffing so much), I'd think there is some kind of math to determine what is "too much," even if it's pretty simple...

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If you restrict yourself to limit (or some single bet size the opponent will always make) then the math is pretty simple, but it depends on the size of the pot, how often the opponent holds a value betting hand, how often the opponent holds a bluffable hand, how often we hold bluff catchers / hands we always call with for value / hands we always fold. If you're really interested this is the sort of stuff Mathematics of Poker is about and I highly recommend it.

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Yeah, I'm actually currently studying MoP. Really great book. I've read ~13 poker books (all the normal stuff--mainly 2p2) and MoP is amazing to me. I finally am learning the tools I need to unlock the "secrets" of strong play and sound strategy. Excel and PokerStove make it pretty straightforward. My 2nd favorite book was NLHE TAP.
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