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Old 11-19-2007, 01:24 PM
Wires Wires is offline
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Default Re: Police kill Polish man @ Vancouver Airport

"The same people complaining about the cops killing this guy with the taser would be saying exactly the same things if the cops cracked this guy's skull during a manual takedown."

If five police officers cannot figure out how to take down an unarmed man without cracking open his skull then there is a problem.

These officers had time on their side with this guy. He had no weapon and had not made any aggressive gestures towards anything animated. You can charge him afterwards with any property destruction. If airport management was on the ball their own security would have identified the situation and brought in an interpreter to diffuse the situation before it escalated as it did. He and his mother spent hours trying to connect before this went down and no one was able to put the pieces together and connect these two people. He didn't speak English and the mother's ability to do so was limited so they were ignored.

One of the criticisms of the taser use is that the man was relatively calm when they decided to zap him. The police had the option to 1) right the airport's wrong and bring in an interpreter to figure out what the hell was going on or 2) if there are immediate safety concerns to this man or other individuals proceed with a manual take down. He was calm enough that they should have, with their training, been able to pull off this move.

Should he somehow crack his skull open during the takedown the video would show whether it was due to improper procedure by police or whether the man was simply out of control and the injury was caused by his own actions/non-compliance.

I spent 5 years working in adolescent mental health - usually in a residential setting. There were often large, aggressive teenage boys who needed to be physically restrained when they posed a risk to themselves or the other residents. Two of us would hold the teen while the other staff dealt with the other kids. We were trained so we were able to do these restraints effectively and safely. No one was ever hurt.

Certainly a grown man >>>>stronger>>>> then a teenage boy but there is no reason 5 trained officers should not have been able to contain this man without resorting to the taser.
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