[MasterLJ]

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If he's not considering Patrik Antonius to be product of online poker, he clearly doesn't even know what he's talking about. PA made his name and bankroll online.

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No. That is a side issue. He has certain people in mind. He knew that some people would consider Patrik an internet player so he just wanted to make clear that for the purposes of this discussion he didn't. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he would put him in the top twenty either.

Also, when he said, they can't lay down a hand, he meant in live games where he considered it a mistake. He told me about a hand where his well known internet opponent could have saved tens of thousands of dolllars if he would have made what Kenny considered the obvious play of folding two kings preflop. I guess that fold is never made in internet games.

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It's very very true in most cases. You can't lay down KK for one buy-in online. You absolutely can live (especially in lower limits)... simply because 3betting and 4betting are super rare.

My first hand when I was in Vegas my last trip I had TT on a TQK flop. I lead, get raised and another player pushes. Online this is a fist pump + call, live I knew I was up against at least one straight (KK and QQ weren't present in their ranges due to pre-flop).

Same trip I also correctly mucked KK preflop.

Kenny is forgetting the key element that makes a great player great... their ability to adapt to table conditions. If you're an online player who couldn't pick up on those adaptations in a live game, maybe you aren't as well rounded as you thought?