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Vic

I think I define them like you and yeah they are prolly negative. Even substantially so.

Prolly neutral for turning a K
negative for a T
And of course negaive for turning a J or an A


I disagree that preflop is a mistake.

Against weakish TAGs its fine
Against LAGs its fine as well

I mean its important that people behind you are tight. But whenever you create the dead money in the pot you end up in position and paying 3SB in a 7.5SB pot. You only need 6/15 = 40% eq to have an edge on the money going in.