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Old 11-17-2007, 04:14 PM
friedace friedace is offline
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Default Re: Folding KK Pre-flop

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In a typical "raise, hero 3-bets, villain shoves" scenario- you are -EV to call.

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I disagree with this as you know. Villains show up with QQ and sometimes AK here enough. IME.

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This is probably one of the most productive posts about AA vs. KK I've read.

As for myself, I agree with your explanation and what Dan Harrinton says in HoH. It's interesting that even with people who fold KK pf based on reads, they never comment on the fact that their "read" might be wrong. Of course, they are always upfront with the fact that nits always show them AA, but what about the times they see nothing? Assuming this is still an amazing read, even w/o seeing the cards, isn't reasonable in my opinion and a positive selection bias with respect to the times AA was shown is obviously going to be in effect. What about the times the guy shows a total bluff when you laid down the KK? Or a weaker hand that AK even?

just my two cents.
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