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Do you think that civilians and law enforcement should be equal when it comes to legally using force or threat of force?
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You're [censored] right I do. All men are created equal. Government agents are not some morally distinct class, with special dispensation to do things that are immoral for commoners.
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I agree with this, with all of my heart. The reason we're arguing here is that he disagrees with the basis for the raid, so therefore it's "immoral". I've come into contact with child molesters who certainly felt no moral issues arose from their behavior, and that it was just a harmless activity on their part.
Remember, if we don't enforce what you don't like because you think it's immoral, someone somewhere doesn't think raping your six year old daughter is immoral. Either both laws can be enforced, or neither.
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No because that guy is initiating force. There's an objective standard it's not just either both or neither that's nonsense. You draw the line at the initiation of force.
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Your error here is in assuming I think Liberty Dollar did anything wrong. I don't. However, I also do believe that if the FBI feels the need to investigate the actions of the Liberty Dollar people, the field agents who served the search warrants aren't "evil", they're merely doing their jobs. Anyone who can consider serving search warrants even close to equal to Nazi's killing people needs a head exam.
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I obviously agree with the last point though I don't think anybody did. You can hide behind "i was told to" when you commit an evil act. I'm not necessarily saying what the agents did was an evil act but if it was. "only doing my job" isn't an acceptable excuse.
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Well, there are shades of gray here. I think "evil" is a bit of a loaded word. I would refer to the agents who actually requested the search warrant as overzealous, but not "evil".
I still don't think the serving agents did anything wrong.
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I obviously agree with the last point though I don't think anybody did.
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Boro thinks that.
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I was just adding that so you would know what I'm dealing with here. There are people here who actually believe police action of any kind = ZOMG! Nazis!