[mbillie1]

[ QUOTE ]
He never said it was abnormal. This is where I think you're spinning the conversation wayyyy off. He just said that it is a different mentality that is producing the hazing. The key point of his statement was that adults were doing it.

You duders who think that the "difference isn't that big" must not be looking at it from the adult's side. To the victim it might be similar, but the levels of intent to harm (and the knowledge they should have of knowing better) are the focus here imo.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree it's more wrong, ethically, for grown adults to do it than it is for kids to do it. I guess I was just using that to illustrate that it provides a difficulty in legislating this sort of thing, because there are gray areas. I obviously think what the parents did was repulsive. I just don't think that money should compensate the bereaved in this case, (although I recognize that the way things are now, it does or likely would if they went that way) because of the reasons above, etc

I realize re-reading these that I'm not being very clear, the bold is just to try to better illustrate my point