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Old 11-12-2007, 06:02 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: Common turn problem - QQ

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Cant see how this is anything but a b/f b/f

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Even though I doubt we're a favorite to have an equity advantage on the turn, I think a turn bet-fold is fine. (I like PJ's plan, really.) Putting in one bet at about 50/50 or even as a possible slight dog is no big deal -- especially if we're pretty much never getting bluff-raised and our turn bet discourages Villain from betting one of the big streets with a hand worse than ours.

However, a river bet-fold seems to me to have its reckless side, unless Villain isn't really "very loose/passive" (or my idea of "very loose/passive" is too exaggerated). I'm having trouble imagining the bet is for value once we're not getting called by flush draws and gutters anymore, and check-folding instead seems like a serious alternative to me.

Edit: If somehow we weren't allowed to check-fold the river and could only bet-fold, bet-call, or check-call, then, sure, bet-folding would seem best. But I don't see why we should rule out check-folding if we think we can trust our opponent's river bet if it comes.
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