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ARRRRRR-IN.

Anything you do will show lots of strength, so you might as well shove now before a bad card hits the turn (like an ace if villain has KK).

Folding is obviously stupid.

EDIT: I mis-read a little and thought villain was the PFR. So ignore the comment about him having KK, but it doesn't change things really. Get it in.

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Thanks. What made this difficult for me were two things: (1) it was clear at the table that one was unlikely to have any fold equity against the 2 Maniacs unless they had very marginal hands -- they truly were big gamblers -- so it made me very wary of what this decent player who just called preflop might have; and (2) he appeared strong to me -- something about his mannerisms.