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good post pineapple, very good points. I guess I can concede on this. I was just feeling like when the money goes in we're going to always be up against 2pair+, but we're usually not up against AK I suppose.

I think the thing that bothers me the most (obv) is that we have 3 opponents and with the action I feel like we're almost always behind on this flop. I know there's a lot of money in the pot but it's still tough for me to accept that I have to bet/call the flop when I usually only have an OESD. But I'll concede that I think your post was right on.

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if you get called by 2 pair, you also have other outs besides the OESD, you have 2 set outs + 3 board pairing outs + runner runner board pair for a better 2 pair.

against 2 pair you have 14 outs or so
against a set you have 10 outs