[Lee_C]

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I'm curious how others feel about that. You say you don't count cards in your hand when determining the nuts. So if you have a hand that, by existing, makes another bigger hand impossible, do you think to yourself, "well, I have third nuts, but second best hand that's possible here..." etc etc? What's the shorthand for this, if not "second nuts"?

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I agree. The cards in your hand help deterine the NUTS. You use all available information to determine the NUTS (Best possible hand). If you hold the 98 in the earlier example you have the NUTS because no one could hold a better hand.
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