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if you call turn you should be snap calling that river.

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Because villain's range is the same on both streets?

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no, because that river changes nothing apart from the fact that draws have missed and hero should be deciding on the turn whether or not he is going to call a river bet. simply calling turn and hoping villain checks behind river is pretty weak.

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while this is pretty standard logic its not necessarily true...just as some people only have one barrel others only have two...so then turn call + river fold is ok, also turn call + river fold is ok if we now realize that we made a mistake on the turn...fing the turn up is not reason to f the river up

but i do agree that the best way to play this is to fold turn or call river