[OrigamiSensei]

I gotcha GA. Just describing the mental process of the eternally friend zoned guy which I'm all too familiar with. Eight years of friend-zoned hell through high school and college because I lacked the cojones to either close the deal or move on. Thank heaven I'm long married and don't have to put up with this stuff anymore.

In any case the facts remain - she'll have to either move the last 5% herself or officially friend zone the guy and move on. It's obvious the next step is up to her. Only she can decide if he's worthy or not.

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He has also mentioned reticence about dating girls he's been friends with because that's what happened in his last relationship (although they had known each other for about 7 years) and it messes things up.

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dbz, this is a simply a defense mechanism. It is a complete and utter lie on his part. I would bet good money on this. He may even genuinely think he thinks that but when push comes to shove that little scruple will go out the window.