[toddxlogan]

I think OP thought he was double gutted and somehow...uhh..doubleguttergutshot?...uhhh...ok so that doesn't work.

And to boot, he wasn't doublegutted, but I think thats what he was getting at.

I think check behind on turn is good, this board just does NOT look like its one where quasi shorty unknowns like to fold. But hard to tell out of context, I guess.

With 12 outs that are almost assuredly all good (I guess villain could presumably have JT or AT or whatever, but thats a pretty small looking percentage IMO), I think we definitely have odds to call here and save ourselves the remaining effective stack if we miss. We ARE getting paid off if we hit.

Shove is pointless (ldo). FE = about zero, and we will get paid off if we call and hit.