[TheEngineer]

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With pat robertson endorsing giuliani, it wouldn't be to hard to imagine huckabee as his vp, this seems bad for us?

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I think Pat Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani speaks volumes to the weakening of the Religious Right.

Social conservatives have had THE power within the Republican Party for so long that they EXPECTED the party to follow their dictates. We saw it with UIGEA. Dobson decided to end all online gaming, so FoF (with Harrah's and the NFL) simply told the GOP to do it. Fortunately, social conservatives aren't very pragmamtic. They overreached and got trounced last year. And, they haven't learned. Two KY candidates ran on purely social conservative platforms this year and got crushed. And, next year looks worse (though a lot can change in a year), especially with the congressional elections.

These big government social cons think this power even extends to primary voters, given that Dobson pretty much ordered them to not vote for Giuliani. LOL. However, it's becoming clear that rank-and-file party aren't buying into the big government repressive platform of the social conservatives. That's one reason the party lost so badly last year. So, the social conservatives are scrambling to keep whatever power they can. They're fracturing - Dobson isn't really supporting anyone (he's just against some candidates), Brownback endorsed McCain, Robertson essentially said "screw off Dobson" and endorsed Giuliani, while others endorsed Romney. Meanwhile, the only real social conservative in the race, Baptist minister Gov. Mike Huckabee, can't buy an endorsement from these guys, and he's complaining loudly.

This is good stuff for us. Hopefully this will all lead to a realignment of the GOP. Election losses tend to do that.