[raptor517]

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id think for 20 seconds and bet 4950 but i dont really do the overbet shove things.

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Isn't it better to be something slightly less than half of our remaining stack here on the far off chance that he decides that he can still shove with some FE or something? I mean, 5k isn't much different than 4k, except at 4k he might still think he can move you off the the hand for some unknown reason.

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4k looks more value betty. also im willing to make a large bet that if he decided to bluff shove hed be much more likely to do it over a larger bet, 5-6k, than something like 4k. i know i would.