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wtfsvi argues that if I pick an apple from a tree to eat it, and he tricks me and thereby takes it away from me, I have no right wrestle it away from him again, as it isn't my apple.

[/ QUOTE ] oh yes and I never said it isn't your apple. You can call it yours if you want. As long as you don't use that word to justify that you are entitled to be violent.

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So it's the farmer's apple, and stealing is bad, but nobody has any right to act in prevention of theft, and in fact such actions would themselves be wrong.

OK. This should get interesting really fast.