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Old 11-05-2007, 05:38 PM
KitCloudkicker KitCloudkicker is offline
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Default Re: my SSLH forum issues, and a hand that\'s probably way standard

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On the flop I feel like I probably have an equity edge, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 30%, more likely a little less. I also have position, and I can take a free turn card if I wish. My overcard outs are more likely to be clean than if I had a hand like QT because they're lower, I think. Is there a term for that? So I guess the flop raise makes sense from that point of view.

But then again, I have a weak straight draw, a weak BDFD and two small overs against three hands. It feels like raising can't be right but I know that if I posted this hand in the forum and didn't raise the flop I would get 6 responses telling me to raise the flop. And I don't know why and after I was told I still wouldn't get it. So in the end, if you can call that jumbled pile of crap thinking, I'm essentially raising because I think I'm supposed to. This also feels like way too much thinking.

On the turn I think I obviously bet. On the river I don't know what to do. Again I think I'm supposed to bet but I don't have a plan for if I get raised because I have no idea what to do if that happened.

I find it incredibly hard to construct a plan for playing my hand. I've been told several times, I remember the times you and James told me in particular, that those hands at the time look like I don't have a plan. It's because I largely don't. I find all the information I have to consider in the moment to be completely overwhelming, which turns into confusion, which turns into paralysis.

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ok 1st step, dont overthink hands. in all honestly, once you become accustomed to them, 95% of limit hands in B&M low limit games require minimal thought.

lets play this hand from the beginning, using a risk reward analysis. start with preflop.

you have an excellent multiway hand in great position. you have limpers to you and a chance to buy the button and cement your position further. you probably have a very small equity edge. your hand is very well hidden as well if you raise PF. if everyone checks to you and you whiff, you can take a free card and pick up a draw on the turn. risks: running into a huge hand after you which could 3 bet. tying yourself to a pot in which you flop only top pair. adding it all up, i think the best play here is to raise PF.

now the flop.

you have a pretty decent draw that may/may not have an equity edge. heres where your read comes in. if you raise the flop, you risk having the BB 3 bet, thereby shutting out the field and leaving you HU with what now looks like a very weak draw. on the other hand, if the BB does not 3 bet, you have a great shot at a free card on the turn, and very deceptive winner when you make your hand on a later street. so again, it depends on your read of the BB. does he donk flops with strong hands? does he 3 bet a lot? does he refuse to C/C the turn after calling a flop raise?
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