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Old 11-02-2007, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Medium Pairs and Marginal Broadway Hands - To Raise or Not to Rais

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raise 88 from any position ifact you should raise most PPs higher than 55s from almost any position! forget about k10o, only time you play that is when you trying to steal the blinds.... QJs/J10s is better to limp in EP, MP, raise in hijack/btn.

gl

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plz name 3 difference between 22-44, and 55-77

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66/77 is actually a hand,,
when you raise 22 in ep they dont put you on 22 they put u on a higher pair and will set hunt you and guess what if you are playing for stacks with a set of 2s what you think they have? with 66/77 there is a better chance you have the better set

you win little money when you hit your set, lose alot when they also hit, low PPs in 'EP' are losers/very marginal winners, in the 'long run' more than 100k hands

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at what level does 66/77 become "actually a hand"?

i dont 100% mean this to come out arguementative, and for all intensive purposes, its probably -EV for me to even have this conversation...but ur logic makes no sense. ur logic seems to account for the fact that 66/77 are actual hands, yet money only seems to go in when its set>set situations (thats the way ur wording makes ur thoughts appear). (also, out of curiosity...what % of the time u hit a set, do u think some1 has one as well. and better yet, a bigger one?)

the real reason u raise all pairs from all spots is for a few reasons. 1.) u take betting lead and iniative. 2.) because of this, ur CB will b more successful. 3.) when u hit a set, there is already money in the pot.

and on an aside...i will bet u $100 that i can produce at least 5 ppl by Sunday who are not losing money with their 22-88 from EP over 100K+ hands.

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I did say they could be marginal winners but it would take an acceptional palyer to make them marginal winners in EP, now in NL50 and lower well they will be obv. winners but when you get higher NL200 above (maybe NL100 I havent played it for a long time) people arent handing you money left and right without a hand, and they become very marginal...

lets put it this way when a 14/7 player raises UTG you dont call with AXo/K10 etc.... but do with all PPs! why? because you know he has a good hand. you might call with Axs QJs/J10s and other hands with HUGE potential for the same reason, now if you are utg and are raising 22/33 guess what the people in LP are calling with? thats if they know wth they are doing!

they might call with 10sJs flp comes 4s7d10d you bet, they are still not sure if you have a premium PP or AK/AQ and call turn is a blank where you most probably will ck, and river you might win with a big bet or dig your 22s in a bigger whole! and the latter will probably me true since you cked the turn and villan will call more often...
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