[Dunkman]

This spot sucks, I don't think it's an easy shove at all. I mean, can there be a stronger line on a board like this than c/c then c/r from a guy who limps a lot (and is presumably pretty passive, thus the limping)? I mean, I do think it could be a draw, but it's a made flush a lot and our flush draw is worthless. I'd probably call the turn with no plan out of sheer confusion and the inability to fold top 2, but I'm really not sure we're ahead often. What we're hoping for I guess is like AsJx or KsJx or some other weird As hand, but that's about it.

As for the PF, I mean I'm sure some people can make limping here profitable...are you one of them? The idea behind seeing lots of flops with marginal hands is to consistently outplay people, especially in tough spots like this. I'll be the first to admit that a lot of the time I can't, so I try to avoid really marginal crap like J9o from MP.