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Old 10-30-2007, 05:26 PM
fnord_too fnord_too is offline
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Default Re: BarryG - Online Poker should be legal in 6 months

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I talked to my accountant about this sometime back.

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You need a new accountant. This is not only wrong, it is is ridiculous.

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There aren't very many people in this world I trust very much, but this guy has saved me thousands. Without specifics, your post is ridiculous. Make a reasonable argument.

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Just a quick skim of your OP: income is MOST CERTAINLY counted before it is cashed out. I asked a tax attorney about that possible angle like 4 years ago. I got pretty much the answer I expected. (That is, it is counted if you are obeying the law and not counting on lack of traceability to protect you, but then you are just evading and hoping you don't get caught).

The other stuff about it being effectively like any other business looks ok.

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That makes some sense, I guess. Given the day-to-day flux in bankroll size, however, what number would be taxed? Would it be wins vs. losses for a session? Would be total bankroll as of xx/xx/2008 minus total bankroll as of xx/xx/2007 minus any deposits plus any cashouts? Would they try to account for it bet by bet? It just seemed to me that Cashouts - deposits was the simple and easy way to handle it, much like stock transactions.

How is income calculated in your scenario, fnord?

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Yearly net after expenses. So, pretty much like your middle equation: BR 12/31 - BR 1/1 -Deposits + withdraws - other expenses (+ any other income like rakeback sent directly to you).

If you are not filing as a pro, I would just let my accountant tell me what information and records he needs and follow his advice (and if you are filing as a pro I would do the same [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). (I am not an accountant, but I am comfortable because my accountant does all this that even if it is all wrong I am not committing tax evasion. The worst that could happen is I get hit with a bill and some interest on top of it. I figure the $350 I pay him every year to do my tax return is basically insurance against the IRS ever coming after me. I report everything anyway, so I think that risk is pretty low to begin with, but I have zero desire to deal with the IRS in any way if I can avoid it.)
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