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Old 10-30-2007, 05:40 AM
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Default Re: LO8 - Several Hands that need advice

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maybe there are leaks I'm not seeing.

[/ QUOTE ]Gobias - The main leak is table selection. Can't you find better games than some of these rock gardens? I think I'd have to change my normal mode of play considerably to play in those games. (Off hand, I'm not sure exactly how).

I'd also have gotten out earlier than you did several times.

Not betting the flop in hand #7, was a mistake that might have cost you the whole pot.

Hand by hand follows:

Hand 1:
You’re in big blind with [Td Kh Th 9d]
Everyone folds to SB, who raises.
You defend.
You flop a set of tens with two low cards. SB bets.
I’d probably raise on the second betting round and end up losing even more than you did on the hand.
Tough luck on the hand.

Hand 2:
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Js 3h 2h Jd] on the button. Not a good starting hand.
Cut-off, a loose aggressive player, raises.
I’d let him have it and find another table. This game is too tight.
Distant second choice is three bet.
Flop is [7c 2c Ad] and now you’re screwed.
You should check/fold to the flop bet.

Hand 3:
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [2h 9c As 9s]
Another tight, aggressive table.
Guy in front of you raises, killing the action.
I’d be tempted to fold and find another table.
Hard to fault your calling.
But then you miss the flop and should fold to a flop bet.
But there is no flop bet and then you make a bad full house on the turn. And now you’re screwed.
Tough luck.

Hand 4:
I don’t raise with this hand before the flop. I know most people think you should raise with aces from early position, but I don’t.
Reasonable starting hand [Ah Tc As Qs], but it has no low.
I’d limp and then call the raise but I can’t defend that line of play.
You raise from early position, get re-raised and someone calls three bets. Ugly.
Then you miss on the flop and there’s too much in the pot to get out easily. And that’s why I don’t like to raise before the flop with this hand.
I’d fold to the flop bet, despite the large size of the pot and seemingly great odds you’re getting to continue.

Hand 5:
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Ad Js Qc 4s]
Not a great starting hand, but I’d play it too.
However, not the same as you, pre flop.
But I don’t want to discuss pre-flop.
*** FLOP *** [Td Qs 5h]
You missed the flop.
Fold. Get the hell out of this hand before you get in trouble.
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Anyone ever folding this for 1bb on the riv to an aggro moron?

[/ QUOTE ]I don’t get to the river. I fold to the flop bet. However, since you made your inside straight on the turn and the flush was back-door enabled, if I did get to the river I’d call. But you evidently saved a bet by folding.

Hand 6:
[3c Ac Ks 5s] is a playable starting hand.
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Raise preflop?

[/ QUOTE ]You and I seem to have different styles of play. I don’t think my style is any better than yours. And I vary it. Hard to tell if you do or not. In this particular case, I raise sometimes and limp sometimes.
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Raise flop?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes. I’d probably raise the flop.
And then you end up missing high and ending up with 2nd nut low. Ugly bad luck.

Hand 7:
[3h 4h Ah Qc] is a nice starting hand.
[9h 3c 2c] is nice enough flop for you.
You must bet this flop!
Turn is ugly.
And then you miss on the river.
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Hate turn bet? Like as played?

[/ QUOTE ]Turn is fine as played. The turn is not where you made the (two) mistakes on this hand.

Would you call a bet on the river? If so, bet it yourself. Maybe nobody has a deuce and all will fold to your bet.
If they all fold to your river bet one time out of five, you’re ahead by betting the river. Or if you get called and lose, chalk it up to advertising and change gears. You'll be more likely to get paid off when you bet the river with the nuts.

I'd say not betting the flop is your biggest error on hand #7, but not betting the river is another error.

Buzz
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