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Old 10-29-2007, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: Hollywood Park 15/30 - OESF draw and nut straight on flop

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Mitch - my image was solid in her eyes, but recently I had been batted around. She is also kind of passive on the river, missing lots of value bets with top pair hands, but this is a different situation if she holds a Q. Question is what hands contain a Q and can call a flop bet with players left to act on this board? Remember she was ready to dump the hand then changed her mind, it was plainly obvious that this was the case.

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Hmm, I missed that. It could be alot of bad queens or obviously suited junk. She might have a pair and a Q also. It sucks if she bets the river, but honestly I dont think our read is good enough to fold. Our hand is not defined very well to her. I have been accused of making too many "big lay downs," so I am not one of these call all river bet types, but I just cant find a fold here. Maybe its a leak of mine, but Ive seen some weird stuff from players I thought I had pegged.

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Can you think of any pair + Q hands she would call on the flop? I can't - thats what makes the hand so tough, even QJ or 65 is likely to raise the flop on a monotone board.

for what its worth I think i mangled the hand on the turn, I think the non-traditional line of check/call and re-evaluate the river is best in this rare situation even though it feels like fancy play, I cant think of a single hand that calls the flop in bad position by the BB which isn't intending to raise the turn. Yet at the same time I am not convinced thats the best line.
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