[Buzz]

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What hand does he 3 bet with preflop that contains QQ.

[/ QUOTE ]Hi Kirby - QQYZ?

Some players raise with specific hands before the flop. AAXY and A2XY are favorites. Someone else might like to raise with all picture cards or A45Y.

But some players simply like to jam before the flop. And they'll jam with seemingly almost anything.

I think some of them just get a thrill out of raising. Others may feel powerful. Others may enjoy being a bully or creating discomfort for their opponents. Others play as aggressively as possible because they think it gives them an edge. Others do it because they think it shows they have guts. Whatever.

At any rate, unless I know better, I don't put someone who goes crazy and gives a lot of action before the flop on any particular cards.

But after the flop, common sense should, and usually does, set in. I give more credibility to 3-bets after the flop.

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How can the small blind have a full house here on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]I follow your card logic, but I don't think card logic necessarily applies to the first betting round. Maybe it does, but maybe psychological logic makes more sense. But then on the second betting round, card logic should begin to kick in.

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Seems pretty bad, am I wrong?

[/ QUOTE ]It may be a style of play, more based on psychology than cards. I've had some opponents who are quite good at it.

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I guess this is .50/1.00 they could probly have anything.

[/ QUOTE ]It's not the limits. This happens at all limits. I imagine there's more of it at low limits, because you tend to go bust playing Omaha-8 like a wild man.

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I agree that just calling the turn donk is correct, but why should we believe this guy flopped a full house?

[/ QUOTE ]Because if we don't and he does have a full house we get clobbered.

But that's misleading. If we truly believed he had a full house, then we'd fold. However, we call in case he doesn't.

We neither believe he has a full house not that he doesn't have a full house. We play so that if he doesn't, then we'll collect, and if he does, we'll minimize out loss.

We try to figure the odds that he does and then we try to optimize our play according to those odds. Because of the money already in the pot we get better odds than because of fresh money.

In other words, the pot can be of such a size that we have favorable odds to call, but we don't get a good enough return on fresh money invested to have favorable odds to raise.

That's the explanation. However, I'm not sure I've explained it well enough for you to understand it.

Buzz