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Old 10-27-2007, 06:20 PM
Dilznoofus Dilznoofus is offline
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Default Re: Just got paid.

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Your description is not correct. The 'sum total' of the accusation is not at all that there was just one hand that he folded on the flop. Maybe you have not seen the original forum posts. Please take a look at them. They have also been discussed here a number of times. But to spell it out they talked about just the same exploit with seeing the hole cards that we have seen later.


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The only evidence we have that Seif could see the hole cards is just one random accusation on the internet from 1.5 years ago. No HH, no corroboration, nothing more than that.

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If it was just one random accusation, there would not be a long description of this made by ICfishies, and several posts by stuckinpgh about the same incident where he confirms the description as accurate and also states that " I no longer play site owners hu for big stakes.".

There is no evidence, but that does not mean that the accusation should be described incorrectly. What is so interesting with it is that it is completely consistent with the exploit that we know actually happened. This makes the accusation very credible, and the warning against playing site-owners heads-up serious indeed.

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You're mixing up the number of conversations about the incident with the number of accusations.

There was just one incident in which the accusation was later retracted. The wording of the retraction (however interesting) doesn't matter. stuckinpgh has retracted the accusation and has not changed his mind on this. There is no hand history.... no proof.
This is therefore, a dead end.

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Have you actually read stucknpgh's posts? He never retracted the version of events that ICFishies described on internettexasholdem back in Feb. 2006. He confirmed them. Furthermore, in the last public comment he made on the Seif incident, he said he was not sure whether he was cheated. He never said he definitely was not.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post12133066

I've linked to that post twice in these threads but ikestoys and others apparently have never read them, because they keep acting like it was just one weird hand that some random dude described a year and a half ago.

If the word of players like stuckinpgh and icfishies holds any weight (I don't know that it does, but Dan Druff spoke positively about both these guys) then it is definitely not unreasonable to be suspicious of Seif.

Having said all this, I understand that we apparently aren't gonna get any HHs, so continuing to push it seems pointless. But I'm tired of people pretending the accusations have no merit when they haven't bothered to read the testimony of the alleged victim and continue to misrepresent what he said.
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