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Seat 1: Jemb (14425 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: ogganova (1425 in chips)
Seat 3: noseyboy (10975 in chips)
Seat 4: $kipToMyLou (26850 in chips)
Seat 5: Strakov (8025 in chips)
Seat 6: realmann04 (15275 in chips)
Seat 7: OnlyPlayRagz (8950 in chips)
Seat 8: pucis (14500 in chips)
Seat 9: basebal1b (16725 in chips)
Strakov: posts small blind 100
realmann04: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to basebal1b [Qd Qs]
OnlyPlayRagz: folds
pucis: folds
basebal1b: raises 400 to 600
Jemb: folds
ogganova: folds
noseyboy: folds
$kipToMyLou: raises 1200 to 1800
Strakov: folds
realmann04: folds
basebal1b: folds


It feels incredibly nitty, but this has to be just a fold preflop on the internet often times, right? Against an unknown we'd almost always be willing to get it in when the flop comes 942 here, so is it too silly to just lay the hand down instead of getting our 83BBs in this early?

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This thread kind of went [censored] up but I think it's interesting and should be revived.

The issue is: WTF, fold QQ to a button raise with 83BBs behind?

The questions are, does shoving only get called by better hands and JJ and AK sometimes (i.e. not enough)? Does that matter (i.e. if JJ/AK/worse doesn't put much more/anything else in UI once we call or we can be taken off the hand)

If we don't shove, should we fold because while we are clearly ahead of villain's 3b range, we will find the hand too difficult to play OOP?

Baltostar, PLEASE don't respond. Everyone else, if Baltostar does respond, PLEASE don't respond to him.