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Old 10-25-2007, 05:48 AM
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Default Re: 200PLO inside straight flush draw flop

I think this is a really interesting situation. Firstly, don't bother c/r if you're not willing to get it all in.

Secondly, and more importantly, I think this is one of those situations where you've got the be mindful of the fact that a) you've got a big hand but it could be massively counterfeited and b) is a villain getting away from anything worse than a set of 5s.

I remember reading a blog post from sbrugby and it definitely help me integrate a little more controlled caution into my game and I run at 53/40 HU so knowing when these situations arise is really helpful. I used a similar example in my own blog recently. Here's what I said and I think it applies perfectly to this situation:

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One of the biggest leaks I feel I've plugged in my PLO game, and a leak I feel a lot of people make is committing a lot of chips - with a very good hand like a set - when the hand is far from over. I've probably not given a good indication of what I mean. Here's a theoretical situation.

Imagine I've got TcTsAsJd and the flop comes Td4h6h. I've raised PF and the Villain has come along. There's $6 in the middle. He checks, I pot it and he insta-c/raises. Now, this has a tonne to do with the fact that this game is pot-limit. But I think it's a mistake to shove for pot. Yes, there's a very good chance you could have got lucky and found yourself up against lower set or 2pair but there's a good chance you're up against a big wrap of some sort like 5h7h2d8d. Firstly, having tried a combination of different wraps that would be comfortable calling a raise PF, and then c/r for pot on the flop, with TTAJ, you're rarely a favourite. This probably isn't immediately obvious during the game. But at best, TTAJ is probably a 42% dog. I see a lot of players push because they've got top set and sometimes it's wrong to do so.

The absolute best way to play top set when you can't find any other hand to put your villain on except a big wrap is to call the c/r and if a brick comes on the turn, now you can get it all in with confidence that in the long run, you'll win more than your villain. You've got to be prepared to lay down big hands in PLO and this is absolutely one of those occasions. It is definitely a leak to push that because, unlike NLHE, (a) there's even less chance of someone having a big wrap draw (b) at best it's usually an OESFD and vs top set, and that's a 40% dog and (c) in NLHE, there's a chance to push them off their draw by shoving your entire stack. In PLO, you're (a) restricted by the pot-limit (b) probably up against something that provides more outs than even an OESFD if they've got the flop wrapped and (c) it's really unlikely to get any opponent to fold with that kind of draw because you simply can't get enough chips in the pot.

So in future, just call the c/r and be absolutely ready to fold if a scare card hits and secondly, fire for full-pot if a brick falls (and there aren't many of those). There are times when you should not be afraid of beating your opp. into the pot with top set, and there are times when you should bide your time and act later. Believe it or not, sets can be over played even when a made hand isn't available. Hope this helps.

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the TL;DR is that there are occasions when even though it may seem you've got a hand locked or a big draw to it, sometimes it's best to take a prudent line, peel another card, and re-evualate on the turn. PLO has too many variables to try and confine it to the flop.

FWIW - being the PFR, I would definitely lead the flop with your draw.
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