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... double points for play, which resulted in a 0.5% players advantage

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BTW, even without the additional comps, this resulted in a $300+ per hour play for the pros that hit it, and most of them played two machines at once.

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To earn $300 an hour with .5% advantage would require a handle of $60,000 per hour -- and you're saying that this earnings was without the additional comps? Do you have links to this information? What limits did the machines have? It sounds fishy.

How could this happen? Most people running casinos are nearly clueless about how their industry operates -- but there's almost always a consultant or one person up the line who gets it. Sometimes games and promotions get released without proper review.

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This type of thing happens from time to time. Hasn't anyone here read Sklansky's "Getting the Best of It" and "Gambling for a Living"? Basically, casinos make mistakes.

Maybe someone did the math wrong. Maybe no one did the math. Maybe the slot technician turned on the wrong setting on the machine. Maybe it was done by a disgruntaled employee who either wanted to get back at his/her employer or perhaps was on the payroll of a pro. Maybe Casino Operations (the group that determines what machines to put on the floor and what settings to set on them) didn't know/care that the slot club (run by Marketing Department) was running a double points promo.

The machines had a limit of $50 per hand and a fast player can do 1500 hands an hour. $50*1500= $75,000 per hour of action. Subtract some hands for breaks, feeding money into the machine, etc, and this easily offered $300 per hour of +EV. This only takes into account the "free play" that the players were rewarded by the slots club for the points they're play earned. It doesn't not factor in the soft comps that $75,000 of action (per machine) will merit.

You've heard the stories about what Vegas casinos will do to attract whales to their properties, haven't you? Well someone that is good for $75,000 of coin-in per hour, and is going to play 14-16 hours a day (or more) 7 days a week is going to get whale status.


I don't have a link to the play. Pros don't like to make their plays public (especially ones this good) even after they're dead. I do know for a fact that it did exist for at least two months.

I'm sure some 2+2ers, especially Vegas locals, have heard about this play. Since it died, it has been talked about more freely than most plays usually are. I can't be the only one, so maybe someone else can confirm that they heard about this too.