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Old 10-19-2007, 12:24 PM
Abbaddabba Abbaddabba is offline
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Default Re: Being told \"professional poker doesn\'t contribute to society.\"

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But if you were accused of a crime you didnt commit, and you weren't educated or intelligent enough to make a coherent argument in your defence, I think you would find real value in lawyers.

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The crown is forced to argue vigorously against the defense because they know that you have a specialist who will fight tooth and nail to deceive the courts in your favor.

Even though i was talking about civil cases and not criminal law, it applies to an extent there too. It would just take a few adjustments to the crown/bench to work things out.

You'd have lawyers defending their position because, well, they're lawyers. Im not saying theyre useless as individuals. Im saying as a whole, the system would be better off with reforms so they would be made obsolete.

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The debate is whether society at all benefits significantly from that decision. Is society improved in any way by their vocation? Do they provide a service that would not exist without them?

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And i explained earlier posts why. In midstakes hold em online for instance, most games in would not run without the presence of props and other professionals - or if they did, they would die off significantly faster. This is more significant in smaller sites, because they represent less efficient markets than larger and more active sites. It is comparable to the labour market comparison - when there are fewer individuals, there is a greater surplus to the other side. When it is perfectly competitive (pros are filling in seats as fast as they come), the benefit approaches zero.

This is why sites give out prop accounts in the first place.

If they dont exist, games on those smaller sites tend to either not start or die quick, offering people fewer options.


Professional players improve the efficiency of meeting a recreational player with his/her need to play the stakes that they want, when they want, on the site that they want.

That is the product/service they are paying a premium price for (on account of playing against better players).


And like i already explained, credit cards are the best analogy. You pay a higher price for a product that is comparable to what a bank offers in the form of a line of credit, but often people choose to carry debt on a cc just because it is convenient. That is what they are being sold. Convenience.
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