Re: Would you fold here?
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Whichever line is chosen, the raise has to come from the right place in order to chase out any draws. I have to assume there is a break-even point between getting value and protecting your hand. I seem to remember a small section in SSHE regarding "when betting won't protect your hand", yes?
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We do have a sort of agreement on how to play the flop. I count 4-2 in favor of betting the flop among the responses. This is pretty standard. With a hand this vulnerable you have to act. You can't count on others to give you a chance. Just cowboy up and bet in these spots, IMO.
I don't think you're being argumentative. I'm certainly not trying to be either. Sure, there are times where betting won't protect your hand. This would be a poor example because protection, while it should be our primary consideration in this particular hand because of the pot size, is not the only one. We also need value. In terms of value a flop bet is clearly superior to trying a c/r.
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