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Old 10-18-2007, 05:32 PM
TheCount212 TheCount212 is offline
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Default Re: Red AA. 6/12 limit. Action on the turn.

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If this player is capable of shenanigans, I call down. I don't ever bet out on the turn, <font color="red">nor do I re-raise the flop.</font>

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Are you that tight where you do not re-raise the flop? That assumes that you think on this flop you are already beat?

If you do not 3-bet the flop then you are giving up to overpairs like T-T and 9-9 who might not 3-bet preflop. Unless, you plan to check and call to the river.

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Not advocating giving up. Advocating prudence.
Look, I'm fairly tight post-flop, and I catch hell about that all the time here. So feel free to ignore what I say.

Normally I'd put villain on a flush draw or the holder of an 8 given the flop raise. Why? Because I think most rational actors would raise under those circumstances, and, unless I know villain to be LAG or a bluffer, I take raises seriously. He was probably trying to buy a free card on the turn. I just don't think for a moment that a r/r on the flop will really accomplish anything. You raised PF. He already knows you like your hand.

On the turn, when the club falls, betting out is absolutely spitting into the wind.

I just think that sometimes we try so hard to be aggressive for the sake of aggression that we're locked into telling the opponent something... all the while ignoring what our opponent is telling us.

I'm just saying that here given the board and the action that I'm slowing down, calling the flop raise, and c/c'ing to the river. My AA looked great PF, looked good until the flop raise, and look not so great after the club turns.
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