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Old 10-17-2007, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes

[20:13] durron597: yo
[20:13] nath: yo
[20:13] durron597: not sure if i should post this anywhere since it's not "news"
[20:13] durron597: but
[20:13] durron597: i've been thinking about how this could be done, as a programmer
[20:13] durron597: everyone is assuming account 363 is a superuser
[20:14] nath: yeah, go on
[20:14] durron597: but if i was going to do it
[20:14] durron597: i would probably just send all the cards to everyone, encrypted
[20:14] durron597: (so it wouldn't be plain in a packet sniffer)
[20:14] durron597: then i could make a slightly modified client that just displays all the cards instead of just my own
[20:15] durron597: if thats whats happening it would explain why there seem to be so many cheaters
[20:15] durron597: its possible that account 363 is just like doubledrag or something
[20:16] nath: hmm
[20:16] nath: ok i see what you are saying
[20:16] durron597: and the person who played the mtt as potripper didn't have the hacked client
[20:16] nath: yeah
[20:16] durron597: which makes sense
[20:16] durron597: if it was AJ green playing the account
[20:17] durron597: he probably doesn't want the hacked client to be on his computer
[20:17] durron597: ever
[20:17] nath: yea that makes sense
[20:17] durron597: these are just independant rambling thoughts
[20:17] durron597: just another way to interpret the evidence
[20:18] durron597: this also explains why he didn't seem to know what could come on future streets
[20:18] durron597: like in the AQ vs. JJ hand where he checks the flop
[20:18] durron597: because you couldn't write the software to send the postflop cards in advance
[20:18] durron597: but it seems like a superuser would be able to see that
[20:18] nath: yeah
[20:19] durron597: maybe i'll post this IM convo
[20:19] durron597: in the cliffs notes thread
[20:19] durron597: im not sure what good it would do
[20:20] nath: i'm not sure either but it's a theory and it certainly makes sense if it was a programming job
[20:20] durron597: well
[20:20] durron597: a programmer would have to be in on it for sure
[20:21] durron597: a programmer would have to create the concept of a superuser on the back end
[20:21] durron597: the main reasons i prefer this theory to the superuser one are
[20:21] durron597: 1) the fact that they didn't know what was going to come postflop
[20:22] durron597: 2) they would somehow have to have backend access in real time if there was a superuser
[20:22] durron597: my way only requires a hacked up client
[20:22] durron597: thus,
[20:22] durron597: 3) the fact there seem to be so many people doing it
[20:23] nath: ok but explain to me why a superuser precludes the idea that you can't see hole cards before they come out. it's possible AP's RNG doesn't generate them until the flop is actually dealt, right?
[20:23] durron597: oh, it's not proof
[20:23] nath: right
[20:23] nath: i just think that part of your story is plausible in either case
[20:24] nath: mind you i don't know anything about programming anymore
[20:24] durron597: if i was going to write a system with a backdoor
[20:24] durron597: i wouldn't write the RNG that way [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
[20:24] durron597: like
[20:24] nath: haha
[20:24] durron597: if i was going to make backend access possible, i would write it so that i could see the postflop cards too
[20:25] durron597: im posting this convo