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Old 10-17-2007, 10:09 AM
Mitke Mitke is offline
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Default Re: Getting Killed in Vegas 2/4 Games and Can\'t Find a Way Out

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I'm not a complete beginner and I've done well in various casino games and tournaments in the UK for a long time. The major difference in Europe is the stakes (pot limit as opposed to Limit) and most of all the players - Vegas is pretty wild when you live here.

I'm not used to limit and it's hit me square between the eyes.

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This could explain a part of your problems when adjusting to fixed limit from pot or no limit games, if you're saying that you've mostly played pot/no limit before and only played fixed limit in Las Vegas.

Even more so if it is tournaments you've played the most. Cash games are a different beast. (I'm just making sure, I assume you knew this and have played cash games.)

Maybe some the older hands could elaborate on the differences and some of the concepts that go up or down in value when comparing fixed and pot/no limit. Or point to some threads here on 2+2 that discuss those issues.

Maybe you could try to reverse the discussion in the "Limit-->NL" forum that you find under the "Limit Texas Hold'em forum".

I'm no expert, my level is 2/4-3/6 and I only play the more aggressive online games. But as far as I understand here's a few:

- In fixed limit your profit comes from exploiting all the small edges you might have, one bet or raise at a time.

- Deceptive play go down in value in fixed limit. In no or pot limit, you may get your opponents to lose their whole stack in a one nicely sprung trap. In fixed you have to extract that stack one bet at a time. The best way to do it is to just (value) bet or raise when you think you have the best of it. This is even more true if your opponents are loose and passive and don't pay too much attention to your fancy plays anyway - and this is what I've been led to believe is the case in the casinos in US.

- In fixed limit a lot of people will draw with incorrect odds - this is very good for our profit. And they will frequently outdraw us because of this. It sucks when it happens but not in the long term. In fixed limit we often cannot protect our hand by offering the villains incorrect odds to draw - but we have to bet anyway as it is far better than letting them draw for free.

- There's probably plenty more.

Just my quick thoughts, hope they help and if you already knew all this then good - just keep applying it in the tables and you'll come up on top, eventually.
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