Re: +EV both players coin flip?
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I am by no means an expert on equity and EV but I just thought about this the other day and I was wondering if it is correct.
Say an UTG raise to 4BB in early position then 3 callers.
Total is 12BB. Button 3bets to 12BB. Your big blind and shove all in for 100BB with AKs. everyone folds except button who calls 100BB and he turns over QQ. The pot is 212BB and you both have ~50% equity. Isn't this +EV poker for both of you?
A more extreme example of this would be in a 3bet pot followed by a 4bet and 5bet allin only to have the 3better fold and the 4better and 5better all in (only to find out they are flipping) The 4better and 5better would share the raisers and 3betters chip loss and make it +EV for both of them.
Sorry to make this last example confusing.
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You have some mistakes here .
If utg raises and then you have 3 callers , there should be 1+0.5+16 = 17.5 bb's in play before the button acts . If we assume only the BB and button play the pot , then there is
16.5 + 100 + 100 = 216.5 bb's in total .
Pocket q's has a 54% equity over A-Ks
EV(AKs) = 216.5*0.46 - 99 = 0.59bb's which shows that it's positive EV for both players .
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