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Old 10-14-2007, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory

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Interestingly, this 30/20-25 style is employed by some successful LAGs but is definitely not the 2p2 "ideal" 22/18 unexploitable TAG pf strategy.

Specifically, his guidelines say to play:

UTG: 19%
MP: 24%
CO: 31%
B: 45%


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I didn't read the responses, but my first thought was, just because he might be opening 45% from the button probably doesn't mean he's *playing* 45% from the button. I mean, he might open K7o but he probably won't call a raise with it if UTG opens. Same holds true for a lot of hands, and in later stages of a tourney it's pretty rare that a button gets to open a hand anyways. So, this might not really equate to a 30/25 style after all. Also, preflop discussions about tourney play are pretty irrelevant without considering stacks. Like, SCs and low/mid PPs are very playable with deeper stacks, but when stacks are shallow flat calling a PFR with 76s is just kinda dumb, etc.

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Yep. Tournaments are very different from cash play. Not just percentages, but types of hands to play, influence of position, importance of blind stealing etc. I don't think there's much to be gained by trying to convert over from recommended tournament ranges, or to use "fixed" preflop ranges in cash games.
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