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Old 10-12-2007, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: Preflop question

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K7s/K9o are my minimums in this spot. I wish I could add more to this thread but this is one of those spots where I dont know the precise cutoffs, so I make up my own and imagine theyre right.


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is this against a passive 60/0 and a good SB or what u normally raise with against a pretty bad limper?

I would say its a bit 2 tight here, cause even if SB knows u raise light he is out of position 3way so he cant 3bet whatever.

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Other posters said K offsuit leads to trouble... In this spot, if SB 3bets its easier to play Kx then Ax cause Kx got to little showdownvalue, u can fold when u get nothing from the board. And if SB 3bets he will more often have an Ace, so Kx is okay. If SB folds and BB calls there is no need to think u are dominated, so Kx plays fine here. Against limpers range u are obviously way ahead and got a showdown hand that u can play pretty passively if its headsup and u dont hit anything.

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Kiddo. I thunk this is one of your first posts that I really disagree with. You aren't way ahead.


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.250% 48.01% 02.24% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T3s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, A2o+, K3o+, Q5o+, J7o+, T7o+, 97o+, 87o }
Hand 1: 49.750% 47.51% 02.24% { K8o }

You also won't play it passively. I don't know why people use this argument and that we can see the turn for free. This is just absurd. When you isolate a fish there is essentially always going to be a flop continuation bet. Christ, that is why we are raising..so we can rep whatever is on the flop. If the flop is scary we convince ourselves that it will be scarier for him. Yes, we will get to see the river for one small bet often enough but our hand has so little play in it that getting a free card when the board is AT44 or whatever will do very little for us.
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