[luckyme]

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Then it does not depend on his existing.

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It most certainly does depend on his exisitng. What you fail to understand is that when you believe in God, when you accept him, then he exists. That is what is mean by belief. Religion is based on Faith. If you are looking for proof forget it there is no proof. God exisits for those that accept him and love him and in return he loves those that beieve in him. What is it that you do not understand about that?

pokervintage

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You're getting to the point of the thread. One way to frame it was .. Does the mere FACT of god's existence create meaning in human life or is it the persons belief in god that gives his life meaning? If belief in god gives a persons life meaning then it's not necessary that god exists.

Obviously there is no issue with the meaning coming from our belief, basically that's where we get all our meaning. The question in the tread has been HOW the meaning gets 'turned on' without requiring a persons viewpoint to create it.

"God exists for those accept .." seems to support that it's the 'belief' or 'acceptance' that is the source of the meaning, since it doesn't exist unless a person believes it can't be sourced in the mere existence of god.

essentially we agree so far. you're obviously a theist that doesn't believe that "life has meaning because god exists" which is the view I've been probing.

( mind you, I suspect you're not a typical theist because they often express the view that god loves us whether we believe in him or not ... he just wants to lovingly torture unbelievers in hell.)

luckyme