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Old 10-10-2007, 01:02 AM
KitCloudkicker KitCloudkicker is offline
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Default Re: A hand from SSHE would like discussion

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A hand from page 96/97 in SSHE, post flop play, "hero (Qh7h) has made two mistakes, the worse one being post flop". The flop is Jc, 7s, 5h and Hero, in MP, is sitting here with 6.5 outs (two 7's, three Q's & bdfd), an overcard, middle pair and a decent kicker. There are 10 sb's in the pot and it is raised to him by the preflop bettor (11 sb's now) and he calls yet Ed says raise. What pushes this to a raise situation, the pot is fairly big, there are straight draws out there, if he puts in 2 bets he will only be getting 5.5 to 1 a little shy of the 6.5 to 1 that we would like? Can we generalize here and say with a middle pair and getting the almost correct pot odds to play we should raise? If your drop back a little and say have 5 outs (8 to 1) (no bdfd) with and without another flush draw out there what do we do?

hand 1, Qh 7h, board Jc 7s 5h, 11sb in pot raised to you in MP
hand 2, Qh 7c, board Jc 7s 5h, 11sb in pot raised to you in MP
hand 3, Qh 7h, board Jc 7s 5s, 11sb in pot raised to you in MP

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its very easy to missapply this concept and become a spewmonkey.

i suggest you post some hands where you have the option of raising middle pair on the flop and allow us to weigh in.

by no means is it 100% correct to raise middle pair if you have pot odds to improve. it often isnt.
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