[Paxinor]

nono we did not understand eachother right.

of course there is a positional advantage in multiple player games if you go into ranges because you have multiple opponents behind you so you need a tighter range, but this has nothing really to do with positional advantage we talk about on the flop for example when somebody likes to play IP because it gives you an advantage there.

you can of course open more lightly in late positions, because the game changes if an early player fold preflop

but: if an optimal player enters the pot in early position, you will not be able to exploit him without either folding too often or folding too less

but we should stick our discussions to HU, because the dynamics get so out of the imaginable that its hard to discuss it.

in HU there is basicly no positional advantage, because if the first player enters the pot, he will be neutral EV to any range that plays against him, even if he doesn't have position on the following streets.

of course the examle you made is not a correct proof of positional advantage because on page ten you see that one player has less options than another meaning its not a full street game because one guy can end the action directly by checking.

there are some asymetries i agree but its not comparable with the value of position in an exploitive game like today. meaning if you knew the optimal strategy you could probably play looser OOP than most people do today.

just that nobody confuses the positional advantage with the one sbrugby talks of when hes making a vid for cardrunners